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Can you store Garrett Juice Concentrate? There is no way I can use that much concentrate in one setting. Does it matter for foliar feeding if it has gone anaerobic?
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I'm pretty sure Garrett Juice has no living organisms in it so it won't go anerobic. They use the term, compost tea, loosely in the commercial product. It is more of a compost leachate. It has been tested by Malcolm Beck and he says it has no living microbes in it, just enzymes from the microbes.
This means it will store on your shelf.
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Dave is absolutely correct.
On the other hand, all homemade "Garrett Juices" or special aerated compost teas, are loaded with beneficial aerobic bacteria and fungi, and will not store well after a few days, before it starts smelling bad from anaerobic microbes.
Any non-aerated tea with biology living in, goes totally anaerobic after 10 days.
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Joined: Thu May 01, 2003 9:21 am Posts: 157 Location: Waxahachie,TX
I didn't know that the store variety didn't actually have bacteria in it. The question still remains will it be okay to use a homemade Garrett Juice that has gone completely anaerobic? I am only going to use it for foliar feeding.
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In my humble opinion, and I believe Dave Hall will agree, any anaerobic tea used for fertilization purposes should be very, very diluted and used very carefully.
I'm so scared of anaerobic teas now, due to Dr. Elaine Ingham's latest research from SoilFoodWeb.com, that I only use them in my pesticidal teas, or as a diluted soil drench around my toughest and strongest plants. I have harmed plant foiliage by using too strong anaerobic teas in a foliar method.
I do use anaerobic teas made from fermenting kelp, rotten fruit, rotten fish scraps and sawdust, corn meal, grain cattle feeds, green weed, etc. in separate 5 gallon buckets, then use them as optional bacterial/fungal foods as extra ingredients in some of my aerated tea recipes. I do believe this makes great aerobic bacterial teas, if not great fungal teas.
All aerobic teas are beneficial for all composting and gardening needs.
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William Cureton
Joined: Thu May 01, 2003 9:21 am Posts: 157 Location: Waxahachie,TX
I am making a homemade Garrett Juice. The homemade version uses Compost Tea (Homemade) as one of the primary ingredients. So my Compost Tea does have aerobic bacteria in it. It hasn't gone anaerobic yet.
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Okay. That clears that up. Homemade is a better product than the storebought for that reason.
Shelf life for any bacterial or fungal tea is short due to the lack of oxygen in the tea. According to Dr Elaine Ingham, anerobic tea should only be used as weed killer. Now having said that, I read lots of folks who use anerobic teas all the time and they swear it works just fine.
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I know that area fairly well, and don't have any idea of a garden center at all in that area. I guess your travels take you from that area back to I-35 South. I'll keep thinking.
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I have recently converted to organics. I started foliar feeding with a home made mixture of GJ about 2 months ago. I used a store bought compost tea. I noticed that several types of plants responded with curled and malformed new growth while it had no impact on other plants. Things that were affected were, Oriental Persimmon, Gotu Kola, Basil seedlings, Purple coneflower. Plants not affected - tomatoes, petunias, black eyed susan among others. Perhaps this is because of the tea being anaerobic like the Capt. mentioned.
Question - If you areate the store bought compost tea would it then become aerobic?
Joined: Thu May 08, 2003 11:15 am Posts: 7 Location: Flower Mound, Texas
[quote="Mr. Clean"]It may sound silly, but can we assume that you diluted the Garrett Juice as recommended? What time of day did you spray?
I diluted the solution according to the recipe in HG's new book. Sprayed it between 6:00 and 7:00 a.m. Another thing that crossed my mind was - is it possible that the compost tea had some weedicide residue? I think the brand is Natures Own.
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Mr. Clean wrote:
cwilson
I know that area fairly well, and don't have any idea of a garden center at all in that area. I guess your travels take you from that area back to I-35 South. I'll keep thinking.
Yes, I do end up on I35E South on my way home. I usually either take 75 South to I45 or the Tollway south. If I am picking up my wife I will take the I35E South HOV lane. If you cannot think of anything right in this area as close as possible would be good. Thanks.
If you take 75 South, you could stop in at Northaven Gardens. Would that work for you?
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I'm at a loss right now. Off the top of my head, the only thing close to a herbicide ingredient that would be in an organic foliar spray product would be natural apple cider vinegar, which is a 5% dilution. Even if it were the only ingredient in the spray after you diluted it with water, I don't think you would see the damage you are seeing now. I don't guess the sprayer you used was ever used for applying a herbicide?
I'm still thinking...Anyone else have an idea?
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