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 Post subject: What about muriatic acid instead of vinegar?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:29 am 
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I have tried diluted muriatic acid on a few weeds-mostly bull nettle. It sees to work extremely well and is less than 1/5 the price of 20% vinegar. Because I am concerned about its toxicity, I have used it very little and certainly have not used it on the garden. I have a lot of acreage and it can be used safely, it would work very well for me. Does anyone have any thoughts on this and does anyone know if it is more detrimental to the environment than acetic acid?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:16 am 
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I can't answer your questions regarding muriatic acid but I did want to clear up something you said at the end of your post. Acetic Acid (vinegar), is not detrimental to the environment. It is actually beneficial which is why it is used in the Garrett Juice type formulas.

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Be careful. Glacial acetic acid is not vinegar. White vinegar is made from grain alcohol and glacial acetic acid is a petroleum based product. The natures Guide product is the right stuff. So is pickling vinegar at the grocery store.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:47 am 
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The reason I'm posting the long-winded description of acetic acid is due to a lot of confusion I've seen regarding vinegar. All Vinegar has Acetic Acid in it & is sometimes labeled as acetic acid even if it is organic. Paragraphs 2&3 below explain what to avoid. To put it simply, make sure your vinegar is made with organics.

Acetic acid,pronounced uh SEE tihk, is an important organic acid and industrial chemical. It gives vinegar its sour taste. Vinegar used in the home contains about 5 percent of the acid. Pure acetic acid is called glacial acetic acid because it solidifies at 62 °F (17 °C), the temperature of a cool room. When diluted with water, it is known simply as acetic acid. See VINEGAR.

Georg Stahl, a German chemist, first isolated glacial acetic acid from vinegar in 1700. Commercially, the acid is usually produced by such chemical processes as the oxidation of acetaldehyde with air in the presence of catalysts. Acetaldehyde is itself formed from the oxidation of ethylene obtained from petroleum.

One of the chief uses of acetic acid is as an intermediate for making other chemicals. Manufacturers convert it into acetic anhydride and acetate esters. Acetic anhydride is used to make acetate fibers and cellulose acetate, a plastic. Ethyl acetate is an important ester used as a solvent for varnishes and in nail polish remover. As a reagent, acetic acid is used to make synthetics, rubber, and aspirin and other pharmaceuticals. It is also widely used as an acid and solvent.

Acetic acid is a colorless liquid with a sharp, irritating odor. It is a caustic substance, and concentrated forms of it can cause severe burns. Acetic acid mixes readily with water.

Contributor: Robert J. Ouellette, Ph.D., Professor of Chemistry, Ohio State University.

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 Post subject: VINEGAR
PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:43 pm 
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KHWOZ - Good piece. Glad to see more thorough information on this subject. There is a difference, and it is important to make sure of the information. Thanks.

Kathe


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