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 Post subject: Dry Molasses
PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:08 am 
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Does anyone know where I can buy dry molasses in the Houston, North Houston, Tomball area??

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Try this link from an earlier post on the Gardener Exchange.

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1144

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:52 pm 
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I found mine at Calloways in Dallas. Do you have them in Houston??


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 Post subject: dry molasses
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:35 pm 
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It's a myth that sugars from molasses will feed or help activate the beneficial microbes of the soil. It will certainly excite and feed the lazy non-beneficials, particularly the Facultative anaerobes. Molasses can be a source of Trace Minerals but there are many better natural sources.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:49 am 
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Can you share any evidence to back up your claim?

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 Post subject: molasses and soils
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:36 am 
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Our company employees two of the top Microbiologists in the country and we are involved with soil remediation projects all over the world. Farms, super fund sites, rangeland restoration, forest fire soil restoration and more. We have utilized every possible method of propagating, culturing and feeding indigenous soilborne microorganisms including the fungal community. After going through this learning curve for 30 years and with the top P.hD's in the field, we know how to feed the beneficial microbes. It's not with molasses. As a rule, dry molasses is coated onto a crude protein material such as soy or other glutens and it is high quality protein that works for encouraging the microbial community of the soil. But the cheap and easy sugar of the dry molasses will be counter productive to the Competitive Exclusion growth curve of those microbes you want in the soil.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:07 am 
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Okay, so I guess I just wasted $45. What would you recommend instead? I have heard that dry molasses is not a true molasses, what about using a true molasses such as Black Strap?

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 Post subject: dry molasses
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:32 am 
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Well, a 40 pound bag of dry molasses at our feed stores in New Mexico only sell for about $6 to $8. So I'm not sure how many bags you purchased in order to pay $40. You have basically three levels of molasses production. The first boil off is called 1st molasses and that is used in feed for animals and is the highest quality concerning Trace Minerals. What's left over is boiled again and that is called 2nd molasses, also sold in animal feed and used to coat the dry stuff. The third boil off of the left overs is called 3rd molasses or Black strap molasses. It is the lowest quality and used for human retail. Figures that we treat our animals better then ourselves.


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Interesting! Thanks for the info, but I'm still not quite sure what I should use instead of dry molasses. Any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:54 pm 
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Soil Secrets, Since you don't recommend molasses, what do you recommend?

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I'd like to hear the Dirt Doctor's response to Soil Secret's claim.


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 Post subject: dry molasses
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:42 pm 
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It's not a claim, it's a fact well know in the world of microbiology. I'm not sure who Dr. Dirt is or what this persons credentials are in the field of Soil Science or Soil Microbiology, but feedback is prudent. As for what are the best materials to work with, I suggest a blend of crude protein materials such as Guar Bean gluten, Fishmeal, crab and shrimp meal and the chitin (Exoskeletons) from shrimp. In the first year following the eruption of Mount St. Helen in Washington, the blast zone was crawling with insects of all kinds. It was quite a mystery as to what they were doing there because there was no vegetation or organic matter of any kind on this new earth. Soon after, the insect carcasses were everywhere and contributing there body protein and fatty acid parts to the soil microbial community that was developing. The beginning of a new soil. Observe the natural process and copy it is my motto.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:02 am 
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Take a chill pill Soil Secrets, you're on the Dirt Doctor's website. His name is Howard Garrett and he does promote the use of dry molasses in organic gardening. As for his credentials, moderator, would you care to jump in?


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 Post subject: Who is Dr. Dirt?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:47 pm 
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Sorry if you are offended by my hard-core approach, but I truly don't know who Dr. Dirt is! There are several commercial nurseries around the Southwest as well as individuals that go by that name. Since the site is public domain then I will tell you what is truthful and scientifically factual as far as we in the science world know. Not just what I'm trying to sell or endorse for compensation. When my science staff prescribes a material lists and protocol to restore the soils food web on properties that are worth millions or even billions of dollars, we better know what we are doing. If our client is the DOE or the EPA, again we better know what we are doing and we do. I naturally assumed that the individuals that are participating in this forum were interested in learning and getting good factual and accurate information from people that had the answers. A chill pill is not needed on my end of this conversation as it doesn't impact me one way or the other.


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Soil Secrets, Let us know the brand names , and places to purchase for a normal sized yard, of the products you are promoting so we can do some research and compare them to what the GOOD Dr Dirt prescribes. Also where are you located? I, and many others are located in the DFW, Texas area. Where are you getting your "facts" from? Please submit the URL's of the references you are using. I do not agree or disagree with you at this time. After the research results are in, then I will make a decision.

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